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Update Course Rewind: Cryoanalgesia in Pectus Cases 2024

Video Published 2025-04-04 Updated 2026-08-01

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0:01
Global Cat MD along with Cincinnati Children's Hospital
Global Cat MD along with Cincinnati Children's Hospital, sharing knowledge to improve child health around the globe. Hel…
0:30
Presentations now fall into three categories green circles f…
Presentations now fall into three categories green circles for established practices, blue squares for promising newer p…
0:57
It is a minimally invasive procedure to repair pectus excava…
It is a minimally invasive procedure to repair pectus excavatum or alleviate pain during surgery on the chest wall. It t…
1:20
The side where cryoablation is being performed.
The side where cryoablation is being performed. The surgeon makes bilateral transverse incisions in the axilla and inser…
1:44
After cryo
After cryo, we do intercostal nerve blocks with subpleural injections. This is the left side of the chest, and the landm…
2:13
It takes only.
It takes only. 15 seconds per interspace. You can see the exposure that we get from the double lumin endotracheal tube, …
2:33
About 40% of the update course responders answered that cost…
About 40% of the update course responders answered that cost is the main reason they don't use cryoanalgesia. Others men…
2:59
The tip now gets down to temperature about 20 seconds faster
The tip now gets down to temperature about 20 seconds faster. The freeze cycle is 90 seconds instead of 2 minutes. It's …
3:24
The shaft is also stiffer, so it's easier to place.
The shaft is also stiffer, so it's easier to place. Here's a picture of the old probe on top, and the new and improved p…
3:48
This was a limited study because they did not measure pain s…
This was a limited study because they did not measure pain scores or compare the 1 minute free cycle directly to 2-minut…
4:13
There is a risk of pneumothorax from the lung tearing after …
There is a risk of pneumothorax from the lung tearing after inadvertent adhesion to the cryoprobe. The double limit endo…
4:39
A major advantage of the double looming tube over the single…
A major advantage of the double looming tube over the single lumen tube is that it helps prevent the nerve block from be…
5:09
We're really trying to make sure that we cover that lateral …
We're really trying to make sure that we cover that lateral cutaneous branch. Doctor Sung Kim did a cadaver study at UCS…
5:31
However
However, some surgeons have success with using a single lumen tube doing a mediastinal dissection, going across from the…
5:58
In a small group of patients
In a small group of patients, he cryoblated the main intercostal nerve at the bottom of the rib and the collateral branc…
6:22
The peak pain scores have dropped from about 5 to about 3.
The peak pain scores have dropped from about 5 to about 3. It hasn't affected our length of stay because 98% of our pati…
6:51
The probe takes half the amount of time
The probe takes half the amount of time, and now I'm doing double the number of blocks. In summary, cryoanalgesia is gai…
7:18
Compared to single lumen tubes
Compared to single lumen tubes, double lumen tubes enhance precision, especially for targeting lateral cutaneous nerves.…

Topic Overview

This discussion covers cryoanalgesia techniques for pain management in pediatric pectus excavatum repair. The speakers describe a thoracoscopic approach using a double lumen endotracheal tube to deflate the lung, positioning a cryoprobe at the posterior axillary line 4 cm from the vertebral column to freeze intercostal nerves T3-T8 bilaterally. Recent technological advances include a new cryoprobe that reduces freeze cycle time from 2 minutes to 90 seconds, and early experience with freezing both the main intercostal nerve and a collateral branch has shown reduced peak pain scores from 5 to 3. The main barriers to adoption are equipment cost and availability, with debate continuing over single versus double lumen endotracheal tube approaches.

Key Takeaways

  • New cryoprobe reduces freeze cycle from 2min to 90sec, saving ~30min operative time for bilateral T3-T8 ablation (1:36)
  • Dual freeze technique (main nerve + collateral branch) reduces peak pain scores from 5 to 3 in early experience (5:46)
  • Double lumen ETT prevents anterior probe placement that renders nerve block ineffective and minimizes pneumothorax risk (4:19)
  • UCSF dual freeze point study (n=22) decreased LOS from 2 days to 1 day; 41% reported zero pain (6:32)
  • Cost remains primary barrier to cryoanalgesia adoption; 50% of surgeons have never used technique (2:26)

Inside this episode

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Who's speaking

  • Speaker 1 — host
  • Lizzie Lee — host
  • John De Fiori — guest

Chapters

  • 0:01Introduction and Cryoanalgesia Overview — Introduction to the update course rewind series and definition of cryoanalgesia as a minimally invasive procedure that temporarily blocks nerve conduction by freezing peripheral nerves during pectus excavatum repair.
  • 1:11Surgical Technique and Equipment — Detailed description of the cryoanalgesia technique including double lumen tube use, thoracoscopic guidance, freeze point location at posterior axillary line 4 cm from vertebral column, T3-T8 nerve ablation, and supplemental subpleural nerve blocks.
  • 2:33Barriers to Adoption and New Technology — Discussion of cost and equipment availability as main barriers, introduction of new cryoprobe technology that reduces freeze cycle from 2 minutes to 90 seconds and total bilateral procedure time by nearly 30 minutes.
  • 4:09Double Lumen Tube Debate and Nerve Anatomy — Debate over double versus single lumen endotracheal tubes, anatomical considerations including lateral cutaneous branch location, and cadaver study showing 18% of lateral cutaneous branches are posterior to mid-axillary line.
  • 6:17Dual Freeze Point Technique and Summary — Description of experimental technique freezing both main intercostal nerve and collateral branch, with anecdotal results showing peak pain reduction from 5 to 3, and UCSF study showing length of stay reduction from 2 days to 1 day.

Key claims

  • 0:57Cryoanalgesia is a minimally invasive procedure to repair pectus excavatum or alleviate pain during surgery on the chest wall that temporarily blocks nerve conduction along peripheral nerve pathways by freezing the affected nerve — Lizzie Lee
  • 1:30The freeze point is in the posterior axillary line, 4 centimeters from the vertebral column — Lizzie Lee
  • 1:36With the original cryoprobe, it's a 2-minute freeze cycle — Lizzie Lee
  • 1:39Cryoablation is performed from T3 to T8, although most of the literature is just to T7 — John De Fiori
  • 2:02Subpleural injection with 0.25% marcaine with epinephrine works immediately, as opposed to the 8 to 10 hour delay with the cryo nerve block — Lizzie Lee
  • 2:13Subpleural injection takes only 15 seconds per interspace — Lizzie Lee
  • 2:2650% of the update course audience has never used cryoanalgesia — Lizzie Lee
  • 2:33About 40% of the update course responders answered that cost is the main reason they don't use cryoanalgesia — Lizzie Lee
  • 2:55Doing T3 to T8 bilaterally with the new probe saves almost 30 minutes — Lizzie Lee
  • 2:59The new probe tip gets down to temperature about 20 seconds faster — John De Fiori
  • 3:03The freeze cycle with the new probe is 90 seconds instead of 2 minutes — John De Fiori
  • 3:10The new probe shaft only reaches room temperature so it can touch the lung — Lizzie Lee
  • 3:38A Chicago study showed that a 1 minute freeze cycle was just as effective as a 2 minute freeze cycle for nerve blocks — John De Fiori
  • 3:48The Chicago study did not measure pain scores or compare the 1 minute freeze cycle directly to 2-minute freeze cycles — Lizzie Lee
  • 3:58A new 10 millimeter probe with a 60 second freeze cycle is coming out on October 1st — John De Fiori
  • 4:13There is a risk of pneumothorax from the lung tearing after inadvertent adhesion to the cryoprobe — Lizzie Lee
  • 4:19The double lumen endotracheal tube helps minimize pneumothorax risk by deflating the lung and maximizing working space so that the cryoprobe does not touch the lung — Lizzie Lee
  • 4:39A major advantage of the double lumen tube over the single lumen tube is that it helps prevent the nerve block from being done too far anteriorly, which will make the nerve block ineffective — Lizzie Lee
  • 5:13Doctor Sung Kim did a cadaver study at UCSF showing that 18% of the lateral cutaneous branch nerves are posterior to the mid axillary line — Lizzie Lee
  • 5:46Doctor Kim showed in the study that there is a large collateral branch of the intercostal nerve that runs along the top of the nerve, separate from the main intercostal branch on the bottom of the nerve — John De Fiori
  • 6:17Doctor Defiori has done the dual freeze point technique in 20 patients anecdotally — Lizzie Lee
  • 6:22The peak pain scores have dropped from about 5 to about 3 with the dual freeze point technique — John De Fiori
  • 6:2698% of Doctor Defiori's patients go home the next day — John De Fiori
  • 6:32In the UCSF study with 2 freeze points per interspace on 22 patients, the length of stay decreased from 2 days to 1 day — Lizzie Lee
  • 6:429 out of the 22 patients in the UCSF dual freeze point study reported pain scores of 0 — Lizzie Lee
  • 7:00Cryoanalgesia controls pain and decreases hospital length stay with few short-term complications — Lizzie Lee

Points of disagreement

  • 4:09Use of double lumen versus single lumen endotracheal tube
    • John De Fiori: Uses double lumen tube in all cases for exceptional exposure of intercostal nerves and to ensure posterior enough application to get the lateral cutaneous branch
    • Lizzie Lee: Notes that some surgeons have success with single lumen tube doing mediastinal dissection and going across from right to left side

Open questions

  • What is the optimal freeze cycle duration for effective nerve block (1 minute vs 90 seconds vs 2 minutes)?
  • Does freezing both the main intercostal nerve and collateral branch consistently improve outcomes compared to single freeze point?
  • What is the optimal number of intercostal levels to treat (T3-T7 vs T3-T8)?
  • How can cost and equipment availability barriers be overcome to increase adoption?
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Intercostal Nerve Cryoablation for Pectus Repair: Technique and Emerging Refinements

The episode's main topic retold as a plain-language walkthrough — what it is, why it matters, and what the speakers concluded. Written by Kai from the episode transcript and reviewed before publishing.

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Why This Exists

Pectus excavatum repair — particularly the minimally invasive Nuss procedure — produces predictable, severe postoperative pain. The intercostal nerves run directly along the path of bar placement, and their injury or compression drives much of the acute pain burden. Traditional management with thoracic epidurals or systemic opioids carries its own morbidity: epidurals require intensive monitoring and can fail or migrate; opioids delay mobilization and discharge. Intercostal nerve cryoablation emerged as an alternative: a single intraoperative intervention that produces weeks of analgesia without indwelling catheters or continuous infusions 0:57.

The Core Problem

The intercostal nerves at T3 through T8 are the primary pain generators in pectus repair. Blocking them effectively requires reaching the nerve posterior enough to capture the lateral cutaneous branch, which provides sensation to the anterolateral chest wall — the exact territory traumatized by bar placement. Blocks that are too anterior miss this branch and fail clinically 4:39 5:13.

How the Technique Works

Cryoablation is performed under direct thoracoscopic visualization. A double-lumen endotracheal tube is used to deflate the ipsilateral lung, creating a clear working space 4:19. The surgeon makes bilateral transverse axillary incisions, inserts a thoracoscope, and positions the cryoprobe against each intercostal nerve at the posterior axillary line, 4 cm from the vertebral column 1:30. This location is deliberate: cadaver studies show that 18% of lateral cutaneous branches emerge posterior to the mid-axillary line, so the freeze point must be placed posteriorly to reliably capture them 5:13.

The original cryoprobe required a 2-minute freeze cycle per nerve 1:36. Ablation is typically performed from T3 to T8, though some centers stop at T7 1:39. After completing the cryoablation, many surgeons add subpleural injection of 0.25% marcaine with epinephrine at each interspace — a 15-second maneuver that provides immediate analgesia while the cryoablation effect, which has an 8- to 10-hour delay, takes hold 2:02 2:13.

Technical Evolution

A newer cryoprobe has reduced the freeze cycle to 90 seconds and reaches target temperature 20 seconds faster 2:59 3:03. For bilateral T3-to-T8 ablation, this saves nearly 30 minutes of operative time 2:55. The new probe shaft is insulated such that only the tip reaches ablative temperatures; the shaft itself stays at room temperature and can safely contact the lung 3:10. A 10-millimeter probe with a 60-second freeze cycle became available in late 2024 3:58. One center reported that a 1-minute freeze cycle was as effective as the traditional 2-minute cycle, though that study did not measure pain scores or include a direct comparison 3:38 3:48.

The Double-Lumen Debate

The choice between double-lumen and single-lumen endotracheal tubes is contested. Advocates for the double-lumen tube argue that lung deflation provides "exceptional" exposure of the intercostal nerves and ensures the freeze point is placed posteriorly enough to capture the lateral cutaneous branch [q1]. One surgeon reported receiving multiple calls from colleagues whose blocks failed, invariably because they used a single-lumen tube and placed the probe too far anteriorly, unable to reach the posterior axillary line [q2][q3]. The double-lumen tube also minimizes the risk of pneumothorax from inadvertent lung adhesion to the cryoprobe 4:13 4:19.

Other surgeons successfully use a single-lumen tube with mediastinal dissection, crossing from right to left. The insulated shaft of the newer probe may make single-lumen techniques safer, though the exposure limitation remains.

Dual Freeze Point Technique

Recent anatomic work identified a large collateral branch of the intercostal nerve that runs along the superior border of the rib, separate from the main trunk along the inferior border 5:46. Freezing both the main nerve and this collateral branch — two freeze points per interspace — is now being explored. In a 22-patient series at UCSF, the dual freeze point technique reduced length of stay from 2 days to 1 day, and 9 of 22 patients reported pain scores of zero 6:32 6:42. One surgeon using this approach anecdotally in 20 patients reported peak pain scores dropping from 5 to 3, with 98% of patients discharged the next day 6:17 6:22 6:26. The technique is described as "very easy to do" with the faster probe, since the shorter freeze cycle makes doubling the number of ablations feasible within a reasonable operative time [q4].

Barriers to Adoption

Despite demonstrated efficacy, 50% of pediatric surgeons surveyed at a recent update course had never used cryoablation 2:26. Cost was cited by 40% as the primary barrier; others reported that the equipment simply was not available at their institution 2:33.

When to Consider This Approach

Cryoablation is applicable to any pectus repair where postoperative pain is anticipated to be significant — essentially all Nuss procedures. It controls pain and reduces hospital length of stay with few short-term complications 7:00. For centers already performing these repairs, the technique adds 30 to 60 minutes of operative time (less with newer probes) and requires thoracoscopic skill and equipment access. Referral criteria are not discussed in this context; the decision is made by the operating surgeon based on institutional resources and comfort with the technique.

The long-term safety profile of intercostal nerve cryoablation in pediatric patients remains incompletely characterized, though short-term data are reassuring. The technique is gaining traction as equipment becomes more widely available and operative time decreases.

Takeaways from this story

  • Cryoablation freeze point must be at posterior axillary line, 4 cm from vertebral column, to reliably capture lateral cutaneous branch
  • New cryoprobe reduces bilateral T3-T8 ablation time by nearly 30 minutes with 90-second freeze cycles and faster temperature ramp
  • Dual freeze point technique (main nerve plus collateral branch) reduced peak pain from 5 to 3 and length of stay from 2 days to 1 day
  • Double-lumen tube deflates lung for direct visualization and prevents anterior probe placement that causes block failure
  • Cost and equipment availability remain primary barriers; 50% of surveyed pediatric surgeons have never used cryoablation

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