Roshni Dasgupta · Hybrid OR workflow for pediatric lung nodule localization and resection
Podcast17 min·Published Jun 2022Older

Hybrid OR workflow for pediatric lung nodule localization and resection

With Dr. Rajni Dasgupta & Dr. John Riccadio & Dr. Neil Johnson · hosted by Dr. Rod Gerardo & Dr. Anton Bash & Dr. Denise Liu

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Pre-hybrid workflow

Introduction and pre-hybrid OR workflow

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What the experts said24 expert statements · 10 host summaries
Pre-hybrid OR, peripheral lung nodules that are deeper require localization in CT suite followed by patient transfer to OR upstairs
ClinicalRajni Dasgupta
Traditional localization uses Copan's breast localization needle and wire plus/minus methylene blue blood patch
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
Deploying microcoils through Copan's needle is technically challenging and requires practice outside the patient; coil holder must be firmly established in hub or coil will deploy in the hub instead of the target
ClinicalNeil Johnson
Patients undergoing lung nodule resection receive double-lumen endotracheal tube or bronchial blocker depending on patient size
ClinicalRajni Dasgupta
Pre-hybrid OR workflow: patient intubated in OR, transferred on stretcher to CT two floors down, moved onto CT table, scanned and localized, moved off CT table with wire protected, transferred back to OR, then repositioned for thoracoscopy
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
Multiple transfer and repositioning steps create opportunities for wire dislodgement
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
In hybrid OR, when nodule location permits, patient can be positioned in thoracoscopic position from the start, allowing single prep and drape with less chance of wire dislodgement
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
Problems with chest procedures have been based on anesthesia staff not understanding the workflow
OpinionNeil Johnson
Positioning patient in same position as thoracoscopy from the start avoids need to re-drape
ClinicalNeil Johnson
Trajectory planning is done at workstation by clicking on lesion and skin entry point; system draws the line and can adjust it to go through middle of intercostal space above the rib to avoid arteries and nerves below the rib
ClinicalNeil Johnson
After trajectory planning, computer arranges C-arm automatically in exactly the right position
ClinicalNeil Johnson
Needle is advanced to pleura and stabilized with blue towels; procedure must be done quickly without waiting or fiddling after needle insertion to avoid pneumothorax or other complications
ClinicalNeil Johnson
Same respiratory excursion must be maintained during cone-beam CT imaging and during needle advancement; if respiratory excursion differs, needle will be off target because nodule location in 3D space changes with lung inflation
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
Apnea without positive pressure (rather than CPAP of 20-25) is most reproducible and may reduce chance of pneumothorax
OpinionNeil Johnson
Cone-beam CT spatial and contrast resolution is just as good as traditional CT, possibly slightly better; every small lesion seen on diagnostic CT has been visible on hybrid OR cone-beam CT
ClinicalNeil Johnson
Small nodules are not visible under plain fluoroscopy; without pre-procedure CT and live fluoroscopy superimposed with planned graphics, operator would be pushing blindly
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
3D rendering with nodule segmentation coloring allows rotation of image in 3D space to understand nodule position relative to needle tip
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
Having interventional radiologist present in room during surgery for real-time discussion of wire position (anterior/posterior/medial) is helpful for confirming everyone is on same page
OpinionRajni Dasgupta
Radiologists and surgeons think slightly differently in 3D space; having trusted colleagues from both specialties discuss together makes positioning very clear
OpinionNeil Johnson
Interventional radiologists stay in room during surgery when possible, or return frequently
ClinicalNeil Johnson
Goal is to prep and drape patient once; positioning in lateral decubitus for thoracoscopy from the start limits movement and helps keep wire in place while saving time
ClinicalRajni Dasgupta
Rarely, nodule location may require supine positioning that differs from thoracoscopic position
ClinicalRajni Dasgupta
During needle advancement through parietal and visceral pleura, methylene blue blood patch is injected toward target
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
For very peripheral nodules, if needle advancement is not decisive through visceral pleura and fluid is being injected, the visceral pleural surface can be pushed away; operator may think needle is deep enough when it has not actually punctured visceral pleura, resulting in wire deployment outside the lung
ClinicalJohn Riccadio
Dr. Johnson has started localizing with microembolization coils (typically used for vascular embolization) in combination with Copan's wire as backup in case wire is pulled out during thoracoscopic resection
Host summaryJohn Riccadio summarizes what Dr. Neil Johnson said · not cited in answers
Cone-beam CT is performed by C-arm rotating 360 degrees around patient while capturing multiple images from different angles, creating cross-sectional images like traditional CT
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
CT localization accounts for z-axis by drawing a line between skin surface and target on cross-sectional images, providing 3D spatial information
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
Respiration motion control by anesthesia is crucial; anesthesia must provide apnea at precise moment for targeting lung lesion
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
To ensure reproducible respiratory effort, patient is fully paralyzed and ventilator tube is disconnected, allowing natural exhalation to a natural stopping point
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
Most common complication is pneumothorax, managed by placing 5-French sheath or UE catheter connected to low wall suction
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
Multiple lesions can be localized simultaneously; up to three have been done, though multiple localizations increase pneumothorax risk
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
If multiple lesions are in same lobe, thoracic surgeon can resect them together; if in different lobes with concern for different etiology, typically the largest lesion is targeted
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
Display monitor shows live X-ray image with graphics and pre-op CT for comparison during needle advancement
Host summaryRod Gerardo summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers
3D rendering takes time; decision to use it is case-by-case based on whether it is needed or procedure can proceed efficiently without it
Host summaryDenise Liu summarizing the discussion · not cited in answers