Painter. A paulous anus. So if it, if it, so just looking at it, not, no. The question was how do I determine a stretched sphincter, and it was basically by observation. If you have a patch anus, Hirschberg's anus should be a normal appearing anus with a normal anal canal. MRI for anal rectal malformations. Do you think it's of any utility in working up problems? I think with anorectal malformations they're looking at. Placement of the anus within the sphincters and you're splitting the sphincters when you do that procedure versus Hirschprung's disease you're dissecting right through in the sphincter and in the anal canal and you're not placing the anus, so I, I'm not sure we haven't done it. I don't know if other centers are doing anything of that nature. So patient two is a 3 year old, you had a question. Yeah, Jason, quick question I've asked. This question to several experts and I'm interested in your feeling. What do you, where do you start your anal rectal dissection? And if you use the so-called dentate line, how do you define what the dentate line actually is? Oh, great question, and I took those slides out because this is rapid fire, but from to answer, where do I go above the dentate line? I go approximately 1 centimeter above the dentate line, so some people will go 0, like 0.5 centimeter, 1 centimeter, 1 centimeter, 2, and I, I worry about this because if we're doing this in a newborn, that, that distance of 1 centimeter might become 2.5 or 3 centimeters when they're 7 years old and having constipation issues. So then you're left with a situation of what some would call short segment or ultra short segment Hirschprung's disease. And then if you go back and biopsy, you, if you don't go high enough, you might get a biopsy that shows transition zone or something. So it's a great question. I go approximately 1 centimeter above the dentate line. I want to ensure, because, and maybe we have a biased population in what we see, that I do not injure the dentate line because the patients who are rendered potentially fecally incontinent due to injury to the dentate line is a devastating injury for those patients. I go 1 centimeter or slightly less above the top of the anal columns. What do you call the dentate line in relation to the columns? So you go 1 centimeter above the columns. So I, I measure the dentate line is the transition of of columnar epithelium. And so I look at, and I obviously don't have a microscope there, but it's somewhere within those columns where that is. So I take. I go at the line of where you see the transition from squamous epithelium to columnar epithelium and go 1 centimeter above that, so it's easier for me just to see, to use the columns as a landmark. Is that right or not going pretty high. I do that when I do my J pouches. I take my, when I do my J pouches, I'll go right at the top of the columns in an ulcerative colitis patient, an FAP patient. I may even hedge a little lower than that, especially if they have polyps in that region. So, so how, how variable is, how variable is that distance of the from the skin to the top of the columns if it's almost always exactly the same. But it's not, and it grows with the patient, but they're almost always doing it right neonate as a neonates. Yeah, I'm talking about a newborn, a newborn in a newborn, if you measure it, you guys should do that since you get so many is measure if that is almost always the same in every newborn, to measure from, from skin to the top of the columns, annoderm to, yeah, anoderm to the top of the columns. If that number is always in, then you skin. I mean use a thing that everyone can, there's a true landmark, a true landmark. I give this presentation in our course that we have in a couple of weeks, and I have pictures from the internet from Netter and from other sources. The dentate line, whether in cartoon fashion or in anatomic dissection, is pointed to, and you could call it the pectinate line, the dentate line. It's very variable where people point it at. It's somewhere within those columns where people point at you as the surgeon. everybody always talks about, I define it as the transition from squamous to columnar, and that's where the bottom of the columns really sort of lie. I don't know, Belinda, Keith and I used to argue about this. So I also have taken the tops of the column as a standard spot, and whether you go there, you go above there, I have found that to be the best landmark. I think we actually go to the top of the columns. I mean, when we do it, because you always hide the dentate line and go above, and, and we probably leave a zone of angliosis, but we do that on purpose because you can overcome that with laxatives. You can't overcome fecal incontinence, right? So I, I think we hedge on the side of leaving an ultra short segment Hirschprung's disease versus injuring the anal canal. Great, that's a great tip. All right, Joe, what else you got?